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many heads of state would gather at the UN for summit meetings.
On the other hand, there are those who were never officially sent,
but who claim that they represent their own countries.
Such people have gathered for a Non Summit Meeting for the peace of world's youths.
(Episode 166)
We hereby open up the floor.
I'm Jeon Hyun-moo, the chairman of the borderless youth committee, Non-summit.
I'm Secretary General Yoo Se-yoon.
I'm Chairman Sung Si-kyung.
We're Jeon-Yoo-Sung!
(Welcome, Representatives!)
Let's welcome Petri, who showed us the beauty of Finnish music last time.
Welcome!
How've you been?
I've been well.
(Emotionless) I've been well.
Got it.
(Always to the point)
What have you been up to?
I was in Finland, and also in France.
I just came back to Korea a few days ago.
I started working in the Finnish Embassy.
Where is the Finnish Embassy?
It's near Gwanghwamun.
(On the 18th floor of "K" Building at Gwanghwamun)
I work at the Swiss Embassy.
We do similar things.
I'm in charge of publicizing "the House of Swiss" during the PyeongChang
Olympic Games as the building's project manager.
Petri is the project manager for "the House of Finland."
We'll probably see each other a lot.
Starting next month, I'm also going to be working at the French Embassy...
(Really?)
(I just wanted to jump in...)
We go through the inside stories of various incidents from the world.
This is "Global Report: Is this a true story?"
The government headed by Moon Jae-in started to discuss tax increase to fund
his 100-tasks to achieve.
(His opposition refused the new tax reform bill)
(This is expected to be a huge issue in the National Assembly)
Let's hear other countries' cases of tax or public fee increases.
There's a serious phenomenon called "Chao Fung" in China.
It literally means, "the frying real estate market," or its over-heating.
People are not buying houses for them to live in them,
but for speculation purposes.
As a result, the housing prices soared.
The rich end up owing multiple houses whereas the poor have none.
In order to stop the increasing prices,
there's a bill in discussion to impose additional tax on those who own more
than 3 houses.
Doesn't the government own the land in China?
Yes, but you gotta pay tax for the time you're using the land.
(Tax for the right to use the land)
When you buy or sell land in Pakistan,
they used to calculate tax based on the size of the land.
But people would report less size than what is true,
and the actual trading prices in the market were completely different.
To stop this practice, Pakistan started to impose double the amount for tax.
People are worried that this will ruin the real estate market in Pakistan.
There are also worries about foreign investments not coming in.
But those problems have not surfaced so far.
The governor of California mentioned that he'd like to increase gas tax.
This is the first increase for this tax in 23 years.
California didn't have enough money to repair public facilities and roads.
The proposed gas tax increase is to fund the repair cost.
But California's gas price is already the second highest in the country.
People have been complaining that it doesn't make any sense because of it.
The Republican Party has been in control of the government,
which generally lowers taxes.
So the Federal Government has been lowering taxes but this state government
wants to increase taxes instead.
Swiss has been committed to lowering its CO2 emission by 2020.
But we were way behind our projected goal by 2015.
Tax on CO2 emission had been 60 Swiss franc, but they raised the amount to
84 Swiss franc per ton starting 2016.
CO2 tax started in 2008.
It was 12 franc per ton then.
So this tax was increased 7 times its original amount in the past decade.
Even a small country like Swiss is working so hard to lower CO2 emission.
I hope other countries follow suit.
(Well, well...)
As you know, Germany considers recycled energy very important and
we use it a lot.
Germany imposes tax attached to electricity bill to produce recycled energy.
And that tax has gone up 30 times over since 2001.
But the Germans understand that recycled energy must be used.
People do not complain so much about it because of that understanding.
This doesn't apply to most people but...
For those who win the lotto for more than 50,000 euros, they're taxed 12% from
the normal 6% tax on the winning amount.
And the fine for not paying to use the public transportation had been
35 euros, so about 50 dollars.
That fine has been increased to 200 euros.
For subway and things like that?
Yes, but it's hard to use the subway without paying because there are
gates installed, but more for buses and town trolleys, there are lots.
People try to get on without buying tickets first.
It's difficult to decrease tax once it's already been increased.
Korea's had a huge controversy over electricity bill based on usage.
As a result, the government changed the progressive electricity tax.
Are there cases of decrease in tax or public fees?
Have you seen the movie called, "Dunkirk"?
I watched it, yes.
How'd you like it, was it good?
We're gonna talk about movies all of a sudden?
I really enjoyed it.
Dunkirk is a port city in France.
People of the town can ride the bus for free on the weekends.
But starting September of next year, it'll be free every day of the week.
The mayor tried the idea only on the weekends at first.
But there were unexpected effects from it, and he decided to expand it.
For example, grandsons and granddaughters would visit their grandparents more often.
Crime rate has also fallen.
Making public transportation brought down the crime rate?
Yes, it resulted in more number of people in public transportation,
which made it a safer environment.
(A big drop in crime rate since 2015)
Pakistan increased the tobacco tax then lowered it again.
They had increased it to 32 rupees, but dropped it back down to 16 rupees.
This is because people started to trade cigarettes in the black market.
People started to sell weird cigarettes in the black market.
That's why they dropped the tobacco tax back down.
By "weird cigarettes" you mean...
Like drugs?
Not drugs, but cigarettes that aren't made correctly or well.
Like making food with grass instead of green onions.
Yes, similar to that.
Germany has had surplus income from taxes.
The German government has money carried over from the previous years.
And the surplus would accrue each year over time.
So in early 2016, the German government decreased overall tax amount by
1.5 billion euros.
We're increasing our taxes instead, I'm jealous.
But social security tax has been on the increase.
So the German citizens don't feel like they're paying less taxes, actually.
Many people think they're actually paying more than before.
Election is coming up in Germany soon.
Merkel has been talking about further decrease in taxes.
President Trump in America made a promise to give the biggest
level in the American history.
Yoo Se-yoon should do that one!
It's too long for him maybe.
The corporate tax in America is pretty high from the world's average.
Trump plans to drop corporate tax to 15%, from the current 35%.
The current income tax rate for the top income level is 40%.
He plans to lower it to 35%.
Another big proposal he's making is regarding tax imposed on gains
or profit made from overseas.
He's proposing to have such income be exempt, only taxing profit made
in the United States.
But if his proposal goes through, the country will lose about 8 trillion dollars.
Some people have been saying that his tax cuts only benefit the rich.
Why you looking at me?
They say this only benefits the rich, and nothing for the poor.
But the biggest issue with American tax system is not about increasing it or
decreasing it.
The tax system there is so complicated.
It takes about 17 to 18 hours for an average American to prepare taxes.
It drives people crazy to fill out tax forms.
People have been proposing to reform the system.
Finland's economy has not been in good shape for a while.
The Finnish government has dropped the corporate tax because of it.
(Finland is hoping for more foreign capital to come in)
You pay a lot of taxes in Finland, right?
It's one of the highest-tax-paying countries from the world.
I don't think it's so hard for them to drop its tax rate a little.
Italy plans to lower its income tax.
We want people to spend more in consumption.
If the income tax is about 2,000 dollars to 10,000 dollars,
people would pay between 27% to 43% and pay in gradual increments.
Starting next year, everyone will just pay 27%.
It's a huge amount, actually.
So they did agree to do it, but not sure how it'll actually take place.
Or they may try it then change it after.
It's one of the biggest issue to discuss when raising taxes.
People assert that those who make more should pay more tax.
Or others complain that only a certain tier is targeted when a tax increase.
What are your opinions?
Should the rich pay more in tax? Or shouldn't?
Raise your hand for needed.
(Five against five)
I think the rich can pay a little more in the United States.
It's because the "super rich" in America use tax loop holes to pay less
than other countries.
So I think the tax rate can be a little higher for them.
But not quite the level of France.
It's totally ridiculous in France.
I think it just gets too dangerous when it goes over 50%.
France is discussing tax rate that's as high as 75%.
(Ruled against the law)
Who'd work that hard if you're taxed at 75%?
That's why he doesn't.
What do you think, Aurélien? You're for it or no?
I think it's needed.
I think it's the role of the society to lesson the financial gap.
I got something to say.
Go on, let's have a conversation.
The way I see it, I think it's more important to reform the current
tax system rather than increasing tax.
I think we need to close loop holes in the tax system to not waste money.
I think if everyone paid 30%, the rich will of course have to
pay more since they make more.
But think about this.
If the poor paid the same 30% rate like the rich, the rest of the money
will just go to food and rent.
But the rich can still have a lot of money left over after paying 30%.
Their income is just that much higher.
It's the same case with Japan.
The consumption tax is 8% in Japan, but if someone who makes 30,000 dollars a year
pays the same rate as someone who makes 100,000 dollars a year,
the poor will feel more of the burden.
People feel that the financial gap between the rich and the poor is so big.
I think the rich should pay more in tax, like they're giving back to the society.
But there's a difference between making voluntary contribution versus
being forced to pay more.
It's discrimination for the sake of getting rid of another.
- It's reverse discrimination? - Yes.
Someone makes more money because he's more competent.
No, it's not about personal competency.
Most people are rich from inheritance.
(Becoming a bigger controversy)
People do become rich from their effort.
But it's not just about one's effort, but a particular country's infrastructure,
the education, and opportunities the country provides.
It's because of those things people become rich in that country.
So I feel that the rich should pay back the society.
They don't have to give all they make, but should pay more than others.
The reason why I think the rich should pay more is that
without the difference in tax rate, the world will see even more extreme
differences.
The rich will become even richer, and the poor the poorer.
It'll end up being that way.
That's how things are in Mexico.
The gap is huge there.
It's true that the financial gap will continue to widen.
That's why Muslim countries' banks do not charge interest,
for that specific reason.
There's no interest.
But I'm opposed to the idea that the rich should pay more tax because of it.
For Pakistan, its government lost a lot of credibility due to corruption.
That's why people do not want to pay more tax to the government.
There are many who hide their income, too, to dodge tax.
Because of these reasons, I oppose increasing taxes.
I personally agree that the rich should pay more in taxes.
I think it's a good idea.
But I think that can have side effects too.
If the rich pay more taxes,
many of them may leave their countries and move somewhere where there's
lower tax.
It'll decrease the motivation to create economic gain.
For example, Gérard Depardieu moved to Russia because of taxes.
He moved from France to Russia.
He's no longer a French.
I don't think there's one right answer for this.
Every country is too different.
The size of the government varies greatly between countries.
The size of the government is rather small for America or Germany.
The public debt isn't so bad and the government spending is low too.
So I think the rich can pay more taxes in those cases.
But for Italy and Japan, the public debt is way too high.
The government spending is huge.
And the citizens do not trust their governments to spend their tax money
wisely.
So the problem is that tax evasion becomes more prevalent.
If the tax rate increases for the rich, they may work less or evade taxes.
They may just deal with more cash.
They won't want to pay more.
Every country is so different, Italy lowered its income tax rate.
This is to lessen tax evasion and to vitalize the economy.
France is making the similar effort to lower taxes for the rich.
It's the same mentality.
It's true that every country is facing different situations.
But balance is very important, so I think it's needed to a certain degree.
For Finland, my dad's a doctor but he's not rich.
Yet his income tax rate is 52%.
It's very high.
But he's happy to pay that much.
It's because he knows that with his tax money, Finland is able to
provide the highest level of free education in the world.
- Medical insurance too. - Yes, great social welfare system.
It's a very safe society for all who are living in it.
It'll be great for a society like that.
Imagine we pay a lot of taxes but your children's college tuition is free.
How much is that a year?
If you get sick, the hospital bill is covered.
I'm sure once you experience it, you won't think that paying tax is a waste.
I think that's important.
There are some rich who try to evade taxes.
There are people who own several expensive cars but try to dodge
a few thousands of dollars in tax, and they won't even open the door.
Let's hear some stories about controversial stories like that.
The income for the rich in China is tied to the stock market.
So they claim that their income is less than a dollar, 1 yuan.
So they don't pay taxes yet all their personal spending are paid for by
their own corporations.
It's essentially tax evasion.
That's a big issue in China.
The richest person in France is Liliane Bettencourt.
But she did not pay a dime for wealth tax.
How come?
She's avoiding taxation.
She's got about 6 billion dollars!
Not just her, but the same goes for the owner of Louis Vuitton.
The owner of FC Bayern Munich in Germany confessed that he's evaded
taxes himself.
He thoughts they'd go easy on him since he was being honest, but
he was indicted by the police.
The German police are very strict, right?
"I understand how you feel, but..."
They probably won't even say that.
If he was totally honest about it maybe they could've gone easy.
But he didn't turn in all the documents to see how much he evaded.
He said he didn't pay 6 million dollars in tax.
But the investigation showed that he actually didn't pay 56 million dollars.
(He must've forgotten about 50 million dollars...)
That makes no sense!
He should've been 100% honest, right?
He should've been totally sincere.
He had to pay 56 million dollars, and served 3 and a half years in prison.
Even after making the confession himself?
The tax rate is Swiss is very low.
About 10% of all the billionaires in the world are said to live in Swiss.
The founder of Ikea was the richest person in Swiss for awhile.
He moved to Swiss from Sweden, which charges a lot in tax.
It became a huge issue in Sweden.
Why do so many wealthy people move to Swiss?
Because the tax rate is low.
In Swiss, there's a single-payment system for the rich from foreign countries.
A single-payment system?
Regardless of how much they make, they just have to pay the maximum amount
of about 420,000 US dollars.
That's all they need to pay regardless of their income?
Oh, so pay 420,000 US dollars every year, and there's nothing else.
But there's a condition.
They need to reside in Swiss, but can't make money in Swiss.
Oh, so it's to have profit made overseas to be spent in Swiss.
So travel a lot, eat a lot, spend lots of time in Swiss.
Yes, it's so that they continue to spend money in Swiss.
But they got rid of this system in states like Zurich.
So when that system went away, the rich living in Zurich moved to other states.
A big issue in America is regarding the tax Trump didn't pay in the past.
The exact facts are not yet known, but he hasn't paid personal income
tax in years.
Even if that isn't quiet illegal, it's seen with a negative view in America.
Another controversy is that the past American presidents have always
disclosed their tax returns though it's not required by the law.
They do this when they run for presidency, but Trump didn't.
People think he's hiding something.
Prime Minister of Pakistan was recently fired.
It was because he hid his income.
They have to disclose their possessions before the election.
He hid how much he has.
But later they found that he lied to the National Assembly.
So he was finally fired.
I think that's very cool that the Pakistani government did that.
Many world leaders were exposed of evading taxes in the Panama Papers,
but nothing was done to them.
But Pakistan did something about it.
It was unimaginable that an elected prime minister is fired from his post
by the supreme court.
But the Pakistani youth fought really hard for it this time.
It shows how the youth must have an interest in politics.
Yes, that's very true.
Are there some special taxes in particular countries?
There are many interesting taxes in Italy.
There's a "shade tax" in a region in Italy.
For example, if the owner of a shop or a restaurant were to install
big parasol or curtains to have shade,
they're using public lands and they have to pay tax.
We also have "the national flag tax."
People can have the Italian flag up, but...
They like waving their flag too.
Yes, but if a corporation or a store raises the national flag, it's taxed.
It's for copyright.
It's because the establishment's image benefits by using the flag.
There's also "the death tax."
How deadly!
There's about 40 dollars of tax to pay when you report a death.
It's terrible for the dead! They have to pay tax when they die?
It's when you report it, processing fee pretty much.
It makes me not want to die even more!
Yes, we gotta live!
There's a "dance tax" in Germany.
If an official festival or an event for a national holiday includes dancing,
they must pay tax for it.
It's named, "the joy tax."
It's part of a series of entertainment tax like movie theaters or concerts.
It's about 600 million dollars a year total.
Tax for having fun?
How much this much dancing? Is that exempt?
No, you gotta pay.
How about just the neck like this?
In Mexico, there's "the ugly house tax."
It's in Jalisco state.
It's because some people do not maintain their houses at all.
It makes the whole region look like it's a town full of bums.
Like bums!
So the government thought about what to do, and came up with a tax idea.
Now people have to pay tax if they don't maintain their houses well.
Is that tax or fine then?
It's tax.
We have something called the jock tax.
"A jock" refers to a male athlete.
It's a tax an athlete has to pay for profit made in sporting events
hosted in other states.
It's to pay tax in that state.
This was made in LA in 1991.
That's when Chicago Bulls played in LA, and LA Lakers lost.
Maybe it's because they were upset that they lost, the state government
charged tax to athletes from other states.
Starting then, even Michael Jordan had to pay that tax.
Starting 2006, China started to charge 5% tax on wooden chopsticks.
The chopstick prices went up by 5 yuan.
This is because at least 20,000 trees need to be cut down to make all the chopsticks
used in a year.
This is to instill the need to protect the environment through taxes like this.
It'll be great if that tax money is used to plant the trees again.
I agree.
There's a "fart tax" in Estonia, a neighboring country of Finland.
Is it by how many times your fart?
Well, not like that...
Maybe the density.
Is there a machine to gauge that?
(Where is that fart smell coming from?)
It's tax for the cattle to lower gas emission.
The farmers pay this tax.
So it's a cow fart tax.
There's an interesting tax that seemed like a good idea but didn't work out.
It was suggested but never implemented.
It's a "handsome guy" tax.
I'd be in trouble for that, I oppose.
No, you got nothing to worry about.
You might get some money back, actually.
You only need to pay the dance tax and the fart tax.
(Customized tax consultation for Chairman Jeon_
An economic panelist on TV suggested it, based on the fact that Japan has a very low
birth rate.
He said that the not-so-good-looking guys can't get married because of
the good-looking ones.
(Makes sense somewhat)
The point was to collect tax from the good-looking ones to give back
to the not-so-good-looking ones.
Ah, so the ugly ones become more rich to increase their chances.
Yes, that's a part of it.
Some must've turned back from wanting to pay that tax.
("It's OK, you don't have to pay")
The standard to determine is to select 5 random women first.
Then those 5 women will determine how the guy looks.
That's so vague!
There must be tiers then, tier 1, 2, 3.
Like taking physicals.
The good-looking guys would pay double the income tax.
And the ordinary guys would pay the same.
And the ugly ones would get a tax break between 10 to 20 percent.
People will actually feel bad paying less tax.
So in those cases...
Whoever gets 20% refund is probably crying.
("Please let me pay this tax!")
Let's say the guy has to pay tax and his economic situation worsens.
The husband and wife may fight over money over tax they have to pay.
"We're paying too much tax because of you!"
"But you picked me to marry you!"
So women would consider guys who aren't as good looking.
They have to think about the fact that they have to continue to pay this tax.
Sometimes job interviews are affected by the applicants' looks too, if all other
conditions are the same.
It may not be a bad idea.
It's because you'd expect a tax refund.
I'm somewhere in between.
(Everyone wants to pay this tax)
Non-Summit Meeting makes effort to be transparent like the honest tax payers.
We'll begin our main discussion.
Let's bring in our Korean representative.
We have 2 people who display a different level of MC'ing.
A former KBS anchor, Cho U-jong, and the current JTBC anchor, Kang Ji-young.
(Korean representatives: Cho U-jong and Kang Ji-young)
(Cho U-jong jumped into the jungle of talk shows)
(Kang Ji-young is an anchorwoman working actively in JTBC)
(Two anchorpersons visit Non-Summit Meeting today)
Please introduce yourselves.
Hello, I had been an anchorman in KBS for 13 years.
And it's been about 8 months since I became a freelancer.
I'm Cho U-jong.
(A big welcome)
Hello, I'm Kang Ji-young, the first class of JTBC anchorpersons.
It's nice to meet you!
I can sense the huge difference between an employed anchorperson
versus a brand-new freelancer.
- She comes off more stable. - Yes, more confident.
(This is my home ground!)
Cho U-jong wasn't like this before, but he's just rubbing his hands here.
It's a new habit I developed.
I keep peeling the skin off my hands out of nervousness.
You'd feel better after going through your whole hand.
I used to do that too.
For how many years?
I think about a couple of years.
(I got a long way to go...)
Kang Ji-young, you're famous for being "a goddess of glasses."
What does that mean?
I'm in charge of a portion of a program called "the Political Desk."
For that part, I wear glasses following the speakers.
I try to look like an expert.
(I'm "the glasses goddess!")
(It broke down the traditional view that female anchorperson do not wear glasses)
(She's now labeled "the glasses goddess")
But your eye vision is fine?
No, it's bad.
- Oh, you wear contact lenses. - Yes, I do.
The glasses I wear for the show actually do not have any lenses.
I just wear the frame.
Same for me, no lenses.
- Why are you wearing them then? - You shouldn't be the one to talk.
(Oh, the same reason as me...)
It's a necessary tool.
Try this on.
This is blank too.
Let's try on different types.
She's the glasses goddess!
(The true "glasses goddess!")
Thank you!
Put it back on, Zahid!
(Cho U-jong's this time)
(Wearing glasses with different feel)
I need them back.
(Feeling shy)
Thank you.
You made a mistake about Jeon Hyun-moo during live broadcast?
(They laugh at the same time)
There was a open-studio broadcast at Gwanghwamun during the election.
Celebrities would send pictures of themselves proving that they voted.
People like Jung Woo-sung and Kim Hee-sun sent in their pictures.
Then I got confused all of a sudden and forgot what name I read.
I said, "Even Jeon Hyun-moo, who's so active in JTBC..."
(Even Jeon Hyun-moo!)
(So far so good)
Even Jeon Hyun-moo, active in JTBC, sent his picture in.
I saw that live.
I thought someone was calling me to come up stage.
I apologized to him via text message for being rude.
I forgot to use honorific.
- He was graceful about it. - He responded right away, right?
Yes.
(Oops)
(But he never replies to our texts!)
He never responds when we text him!
It takes about 2 days.
(Let's just say that he likes to take care of his juniors)
Cho U-jong was a famous sports anchorperson.
You've pretty much been to every country in the world, right?
I've been to Brazil twice.
For World Cup and Rio Olympics.
I've been to Britain for London Olympics.
I've been to Russia for Sochi Winter Olympics
All the countries that are not present here.
I've been to Sydney, Australia for the Asian Games.
- Not here? - No.
Oh, one more!
I've been to Qatar.
Not here!
(Still nothing?)
I've been to Beijing for Olympics.
(Finally, a connection!)
What countries have you been to, Kang Ji-young?
I studied in the States, in California and Indiana.
But I'm from the East Coast.
- I'm glad to meet you. - You've been to New York?
I have, many times.
- You graduated from University of Indiana? - Yes.
I went there too.
No one asked any question to Cho U-jong.
(Please have some interest in me!)
(We'll just keep smiling...)
We'll go on with our show today with current and former anchorpersons.
Let's hear the topic they brought today.
I brought this topic from being the MC of various types of shows.
I'm glad knowledge-based variety shows are getting popular.
But I feel studying is a burden to me.
Am I abnormal for thinking this?
It's a new field, "info-tainment," combining "information" and
"entertainment."
It's actually been around for awhile.
"Info-tainment."
It's us too, right?
I'm the "tainment" part, right?
Yes, that's definitely you.
I could've been the "info" part.
He's "in" and I'm "fo."
I'm the longest!
(Definitely the "tainment" part!)
- What do you think about the topic? - Well, for me honestly...
I knew nothing about global affairs before but I got to know a little more
from Non-Summit Meeting.
I learn so much from the show.
I think you wanted to learn how to speak English.
Did you get to learn?
Well, not much for English...
Your Korean is so good!
I got farther away from it.
You've done many of knowledge-based shows too?
Right now I'm doing "the Live Information Show."
But I also did what was called, "the Infinite Knowledge Show."
I did that show for about 5 years.
I used to do a morning informative show for the house wives.
"Yeo Yoo Man Man."
I also used to do, "the Good Nation Headquarters."
I did that show for 4 years.
I did a lot of quiz shows, too.
And "Emergency Escape Number 1."
It was a show about sustaining your life.
It was all about how one can die!
"Someone lifted up a gavel and he died!"
The show was about safety.
How about Kang Ji-young?
I haven't done as many as Cho U-jong here.
The show I'm currently involved in, "Political Desk," is an info-tainment show.
I'm also doing a lecture-based show.
So those 2 shows.
I can imagine how pressuring that is for the MC.
You can't know everything about all those different topics.
Yes, every field is an unfamiliar one.
Especially when it gets to the legal or medical fields.
It's difficult for us to even touch those fields.
It's easy to be ridiculed for pretending to know something about a field.
"You know nothing about this!"
You'd be embarrassed 2 or 3 times worse!
It's true!
"What do you know about this?"
How about you, Kang Ji-young?
You have to keep up with what's going on to be involved in a show about politics.
So I have to constantly watch news and be updated.
I watch news shows, read weekly magazines...
I put in the effort.
The other show, "the Difference in Class," changes its topic every week.
At first, I'd even look up research papers.
I'd look up academic papers about specific topics coming up.
But as time went on, my questions became too difficult for the public.
The show became too boring and difficult to follow.
I realized that it's not what the viewers want to see.
So I actually started to study less.
You found a great excuse!
(Wow, it is a nice excuse to study less!)
"I'm glad knowledge-based shows are popular, but I feel pressured
to study, Am I abnormal?"
This is our topic today and we being our main discussion.
We'll be talking about knowledge-based topics today too.
How does each country get more knowledge and information?
People have an "analog-image" about Japan.
But the Japanese people use the Internet a lot.
About 86% of all women between the ages of 18 and 29 get most of new
information from their smart phones.
There's a messenger app called "Line."
There's something called "Line News" as a part of that messenger app.
People would text and watch news, back and forth.
The hash tags have been a popular method on social media for information.
I think Germany is much more "analog" than Japan.
The newspaper is still the biggest source of information in Germany.
About 41 million people in Germany still read the newspaper everyday.
"Allgemeine Zeitung!"
Yes.
- See? - What's that?
This is what the MC should be doing.
Making a point!
You had to point out "Allgemeine Zeitung"?
Yes, of course!
What's strange is that no one reads the newspaper in Korea in subways.
- Not these days. - It was common before.
You can still find many people who read newspapers in subways in Germany.
People would leave newspapers in subways, and other people would read them.
We used to do that here too!
You'd look at someone else's paper next to you.
I was never bored in subways before.
I'm sure the younger generation won't understand.
People look at smart phones too.
I know!
(That's right.)
Some old people...
When we write in Korean...
Really?
(A foreigner using Korean?)
He's typing ㅋㅋㅋ?
Where do you get information?
Swiss people read a lot of newspapers too.
We normally get our information
from the radio.
(Radios are still popular.)
We don't have a lot of subways
so most people drive to work.
That's why people listen to radios.
(They listen to radios during commutes.)
There's a station called
World Radio Swiss.
It was created in Geneva 30 years ago.
Because Geneva has a lot of
international organizations' headquarters,
all radios are broadcast in English.
It's about social issues, politics...
You can learn the Swiss culture from it.
Over 100 countries listen to this station.
Mexican people...
Don't read a lot.
So instead of writings...
We watch videos for information.
Instead of Google...
We use YouTube.
We learn things with YouTube
or watch documentaries
and reviews of products.
With Mexican TV shows...
We don't trust them because
our government controls the channels.
So the news anchors who were fired
by the government
broadcast news online.
(She was fired for exposing)
(Mexico's first lady's corruption.)
(My team will fight for freedom of press.)
(Her internet show became popular.)
People get their news from the internet.
We get our information from
the conversations and rumors.
Rumors?
Zahid from the next town is on TV!
Exactly.
Some people spread the news
throughout their villages.
I read a book on marketing recently.
It said a rumor spread by a few carries
more power than a million followers.
Really?
It was a book about rumors.
That's not entertainment.
That was information!
That was the first time in 3 years.
(Changed to Info Yoo from Entertain Yoo?)
He'll say the same thing next week.
I read a book on marketing recently.
The reason why our language developed
is because humans needed to spread gossip.
When you study marketing,
you learn...
That's a wonderful phrase!
(Libero of infotainment.)
It means the power of words.
It means words can do wonders
for marketing.
An interesting photo came out in Italy.
When women lay their laundries outside,
they do it at the same time
so they can talk to each other.
It was called, Italy's social media.
(Very affectionate.)
That's where they get the news.
Where do you get information?
I use an old method, internet searches.
Old?
That's old for people in my age.
(Generation gap...)
I look at feeds from the social media...
I save them to look up later.
What's a feed?
News feed.
(Doesn't know what kids do...)
So what if I don't know!
You don't use Facebook?
I know what it is.
A feed is what shows son your Timeline.
That's what a feed is?
How do people in 40s...
(Generation gap.)
He's the oldest one here.
What's really old?
People are in their 40s,
aren't considered old these days.
I didn't say you were!
Just in case.
Inferiority complex of a person in his 40s!
How do you receive information?
I receive information by...
Watching documentaries...
(Embarrassed by how old it feels.)
They're the basis of humanity!
TV or YouTube?
TV!
TV documentaries are great!
They're fun.
You can watch 1st, 2nd World War
on on demand.
(70 years ago?)
That was an important event!
You can watch Chosun Dynasty Annals
things on nature...
Predators of the Jungle...
There are tons.
Good Insight!
Exactly!
It's good because documentaries
dig deep into topics
and I can remember them better.
(Concentrate.)
Documentaries seriously help.
That's what my dad says.
It's just like reading a book!
I guess so.
With the development of internet,
information sharing has been increasing.
What are famous in your country?
In Japan, Yahoo...
It means knowledge envelop.
Anyone can ask and anyone can answer.
Some people abused it.
At a Kyoto University's entrance exam,
while taking the exam,
someone posted a question.
Math question.
(Please answer the steps as well.)
He got the answer
and wrote that.
How did he use his cell phone?
He hid it between his legs.
(Even watches were banned since then.)
Did he get it right?
Well...
(How would he know that...)
There's an app that gives you an answer
if you upload a photo
of a math question.
I know!
(Even shows you the steps.)
Phones can recognize that now.
Phones can even read now.
A site called Quora is famous in USA.
Only experts can answer your questions.
It's a big help
There was a question that went viral.
A teenager asked,
how can I be rich like Elon Musk?
Can I be rich like him if I work hard?
There was a really cool answer.
Trying hard with passion isn't enough.
Have the intellectual curiosity
to find what the world needs and wants.
Elon Musk's ex-wife wrote it.
That was an awesome moment.
That doesn't help though.
But she answered it honestly.
It was honest.
In France, instead of asking questions
on the internet,
we think writing wrong answers on purpose
is better.
Not a lot of people want to post
correct answers.
But if you post wrong answers,
a lot of people want to fix it.
(That's right.)
That makes sense.
(Is Non Summit Meeting on Tuesdays?)
(It's on 10:50 on Mondays stupid!)
Why are French people like that?
I think...
The whole world should do that.
We have a saying...
Do you know it?
Nope, didn't know.
What does it mean?
If you want to find the truth...
Lie.
Do you use those kind of websites
for your shows?
What?
Like on Naver.com?
Do you even use the internet?
He learns everything on documentaries!
Do you use Hi-tell?
Chunlian!
I know what they are!
Do I use the internet?
Of course I...
(Hilarious.)
Sim-Lin, what's wrong?
Why did you laugh?
You remind him of his father.
How old are you?
(A 55 years old man in Dailan.)
29.
I understand then.
You're doing a news program.
I actually have something...
That I remember from these sites.
I was going through a tough time...
I searched...
How can I be happy?
You asked that?
What was surprising was...
A lot of people were like me.
By reading the answers...
I was able to change how I think.
TV stations in Korea now have shows
that combined variety shows
and education.
They're very popular these days.
What are famous shows in your country?
We have a show called Honmatekka TV.
It's one of my favorite shows.
Honmatekka is an Osaka slang.
It'll be like for real?
Slang?
Yes.
Various experts like...
Experts on economics, psychology,
biology and physics come out
and give us interesting information.
For example,
women who have shorter ear hole
have happier marriage.
What?
Do unhappy people can fit fingers
in their ears?
They'll need Q-tips this big then.
And men with big feet...
Are cheaters.
What?
Aren't Si-kyung's feet size, 310mm?
He's like a Gulliver!
(Bigger than a 30cm ruler.)
What about men with big feet?
Cheaters.
Cheaters?
He can't deny it!
It's a show that make you ask...
Seriously?
It's really popular.
Its rating is over 10%.
It's like our Curiosity Heaven.
I guess so.
France has a program called, Karambolage.
It's about the cultural differences
between France and Germany.
That sounds fun.
It is.
It even talks about the trivial things.
I remember seeing how
we separate egg yolks and egg whites.
French people use egg shells.
But the Germans use tools.
But that shows us the difference
between the Germans and the French.
We do things passingly.
We just...
They want to do things quickly.
But when Germans do something...
They need precise tools.
It's to get perfect results.
Perfect results...
It's on both France and Germany.
We do it together.
It's really helpful.
In China, shows about our health
Ar most popular.
This one has been popular for 9 years.
It's called...
It's about oriental medicines.
It tells us how to be healthy.
It's so popular,
even Peng Liyuan was in it.
(First lady of China.)
Canadians fix our own houses
and do our own remodeling.
So we have a lot of shows on
interior innovations.
There's an expert called Mike Holmes.
He has 11 shows.
He's been doing a show with his son
recently.
His son looks like Beckham.
His beard is like Aurelien's.
He has Alberto's body.
(Why Alberto's body?)
Do you want to see mine?
No, he's Alberto.
(I'll take my shirt off right here!)
(Decide that later...)
Since Mexicans don't watch TV
to learn something,
we don't have a lot of shows.
There's this one program...
The most famous one.
(His accent gets stronger every day.)
It means, St. Maria's rose.
It's a drama for teenagers.
It's about drugs, sex and dating...
Problems that the teenagers could face.
What's special about this drama is...
When the main character
is about to have an epiphany...
The wind starts to blow.
Then the music...
(Just like that?)
(When the character feels the wind...)
A rose comes out of no where.
The character picks up the rose...
And repents about the past actions.
That's so cheesy!
(When she's about to have an epiphany.)
(A wind blows suddenly.)
(Mary will teach her a lesson.)
(A rose comes out!)
(Then with her regretting her actions,)
(the show is over!)
How are the ratings?
It's amazing.
Is it on now?
It's been on since I was young.
This drama never ends.
Teenagers always have problems.
And they constantly need epiphanies.
(Infinite loop of epiphanies.)
What shows do you like
beside your own?
I love Non Summit Meeting.
I watch the Newsroom.
Her whole life revolves around
Politics Meeting.
That's where my base is.
I like documentaries.
(Again?)
There are so many good documentaries!
Like what?
The one I enjoyed recently is...
It was about hunters...
Who remove hornets' nests.
(Hornets' nest hunters?)
Hornets...
Are dangerous.
They don't die after one sting.
They can sting multiple times.
Some people can die in 10 minutes.
It teaches how to get rid of the nests
and how to kill hornets.
It's so helpful!
Have you ever killed one?
Did the documentary help?
People who were stung by it knows.
But guys...
When hornets see black,
they think it's attacking them.
That's why they go for our heads.
People with black hair are in danger.
I'm jealous of Guillaume!
(Brown hair!)
Guillaume and Aurelien are okay.
(Brown shield.)
Wasn't that helpful?
Is that why you dyed your hair?
What?
You two make a great team.
(Perfect teamwork.)
Not only are some people experts,
but some people got famous
for their great oratory skills.
What experts became famous
after coming on TV?
I think you guys all know who Bob is.
Bob!
He created the infotainment in USA
in the 80s.
I used to think he was so awesome.
He used to teach about how to draw
on his show every week.
I used to go home early after school
so I can watch it.
He spoke really interestingly too.
He always made me feel calm
and happy.
We're going to paint
a happy tree from now on.
(What was that?)
Can you just speak in English?
So...
(Can't feel any happiness from that.)
Much better.
It really makes me happy and calm.
We don't know his real voice.
We only know the dubbed version.
How does that sound like?
The one who did a voice over
became famous.
Wasn't that easy?
This is how you draw a tree.
Wasn't that easy?
I remember!
Like this and like this.
Wasn't that easy?
It aired in the 80s.
He's been becoming more popular lately.
People who are stressed out
love watching his show.
When I want to fall asleep...
I watch his clip.
I know!
It relaxes me and makes me happy.
An ordinary engineer in Pakistan
came up with a great idea.
He invented an air conditioner
that doesn't need electricity.
You cut 50 plastic bottles
and point the bigger side to the outside
and point the narrow side to inside.
Then he installed it on a wall.
When warm air comes in from the outside,
it cools down when it flows into the house.
It works like this...
When we blow air with our mouths open,
the air is warm.
But if we do this,
the air is cold.
(An engineer tests it out right away.)
The air is really cold!
That's how it works.
The room temperature drops by
5 to 10 degrees Celsius.
Amazing!
That's a huge difference.
For people with no electricity
and poor people,
it helps out a lot.
Instead of experts,
we have a lot of expert magazines.
For the working monks...
We have Monks Weekly.
Are monks the cover for that magazine?
1/4 of all monks read it.
Really?
(Head shaver commercial.)
That's a good marketing.
And for people who like wastes...
I guess some people do.
There's a Monthly Wastes.
And it's about throwing things away.
And for the morning assembly...
For people wondering what to say...
There's a Monthly Assembly.
It's a must for headmasters.
It's a must read.
And a lot of people like rocks.
For those people...
There's Monthly Love for Rocks.
Love for rocks!
(Love for rocks?)
That's a February issue!
We might think, what's that?
But it's special enough to be the cover!
(There's a competition to be the cover.)
People who know that rock will think,
that rock's become popular!
I thought only I knew it!
It's a cover model now?
(It's famous now...)
We have over 2,000 specialty magazines.
They're so segmented.
I want to buy one.
It sounds fun.
I actually have an experience
with a weird expert.
My mother.
She's always so confident with
knowledge that has no evidences.
My mom does too!
I know!
I used to have a lot of pimples
in high school.
My mom told me putting pig fat
on them will make them better.
To your oily skin?
Yes!
So I trusted her
and after a month...
My pores even got bigger!
(That sucks...)
What did your mom say after that?
Did she apologize?
No.
She said, that didn't happen for me.
What happened?
Was it the pig's fault?
It's your fault!
You didn't do it right!
You know how we use bean paste
when we get stung by hornets?
That's similar.
All adults say it worked
We don't need any unverified information.
But they say, that's how we did it...
Media is for information and entertainment.
But it also needs to watch our society.
Has media changed your society?
Yes.
A journalist named Jurgen Hinzpeter
covered the 5.18 Gwangju Uprising.
He was German.
He risked his life
to get it on record.
(Civilians being arrested)
(by soldiers.)
(Shivering man next to a corpse.)
He sent the clips to Germany.
So the world was able to find out
what happened in Korea.
And that helped with democracy
being installed in Korea.
He received a press award in 2003.
I see...
(A taxi driver and Hinzpeter.)
(Per his will, his hair, nails)
(and a few of his things)
(were buried in Gwangju.)
There's a thing called
24 Hours TV in Japan.
It airs once a year.
It's a show on charity that runs
for 24 hours.
It's a show about handicapped
or terminally ill people
to come out for challenges.
But a show for handicapped people,
Bari Bara,
said don't use handicapped people
like that.
It called that show,
a feel good porno.
It said we're using handicapped people
for our own good.
It criticized the show as being horrible.
It was a huge issue in Japan.
That was last year.
It'll be on again this year.
But the viewers are very sensitive
to the issue now.
It changed our perceptions
on handicapped people too.
One of our most serious issue
is obesity.
There were few documentaries
about food.
They had a big impact.
Supersize Me was the most famous one.
Every day, for 3 meals a day,
he only ate McDonalds
and after only eating that...
(Gained 11.1kg.)
(Depression, liver condition)
(and sexual dysfunction.)
We ate a lot of fast food.
But that documentary changed that.
I watched that in college.
I quit on fast food after.
Did you lose weight?
I lost a lot of weight.
You get depressed
if you eat it for a long time.
You really do.
Its impact was so big that...
A lot of fast food companies started Tod
develop healthier options.
Things like salad...
What do you think as the former
fast food CF model?
What?
The thing is...
If you eat a little bit...
What should I say?
Are you still under a contract?
No, it's over.
Then just say it!
It's Daniel Henney now.
You're in his level?
He's the successor!
(Definitely feels different.)
I do eat fast food.
I just don't eat too much for my health.
Karachi is the biggest city
in Pakistan.
Because it has so many people,
it's also our dirtiest city.
Some areas don't even have
manhole covers.
So someone named, Alamgir Khan,
went to the areas with open manholes.
He drew a portrait of the mayor
right next to the manholes.
Then he wrote #FixIt.
And posted the pictures.
That's so awesome.
They went viral on Facebook.
So the government took actions
and fixed 33,000 manholes.
That was great.
It was so effective!
(He posted fixed manholes too.)
#FixIt became a charity organization.
They try to fix other problems in Karachi.
They're very popular.
That's a great result.
Yup.
Did media change our society in Korea?
I did a show called...
Did media change our society in Korea?
I did a show called...
For A Better Country.
We found a lot of restaurants
with bad sanitation.
I worked with the city of Seoul
and Di a segment called,
Jo Woo-jong's Protect Our Food.
They gave me an authority
to inspect the kitchens.
I had the same authority
as Health Department workers.
I was able to give out citations.
I felt very responsible at what I did.
I wanted to protect our food.
I wanted to keep our sanitation.
(Amazing.)
When I got the highest ratings was for...
The dirtiest restaurants.
Almost infuriatingly dirty?
Some even had roaches.
But they were cooking right next to it.
Our viewers were furious.
To people who just didn't realize it,
we enlightened them.
We asked them to clean it up.
It was a campaign.
How about Ji-young?
Choi Soon-silgate.
I learned how effective
a media can be when it does a good job
of being a watch dog for our society.
It was a revelation.
And you were on the front line.
I still remember...
How I was reporting right in front
of the special prosecutor's office.
That's when Choi Soon-sil
just decided to show up.
I was right behind her
and I continued reporting.
Seeing history being made personally,
made me feel proud to be a reporter.
Is that when bull shit happened?
Exactly.
(By a janitor.)
This isn't democratic!
Bull shit!
Not only through media,
but through various lectures,
people learn new information.
Let's talk about issues on lectures
in your country.
The director for Life Is Beautiful,
Roberto Bernigni
did a lecture on La Divina Comedia.
It's a really important book for Italians
but it was written in 14th century.
Medieval language was really hard
to understand.
But he studied La Divina Comedia
and explained it very easily.
A theater in Firenze with 4,200 seats
was sold out for 13 days in a row.
That's like a concert!
Because the book's so hard,
the lecture took 13 days.
It was so popular,
he held another lecture in Rome
at a bigger theater.
A total of 120,000 people came.
It was even on TV.
Over 10 million people watched it.
That's so romantic.
4,200 people listening about a book...
For 13 days.
It was very touching.
I watched it on YouTube.
It was so fun.
There's a naked lecture in Japan.
Why?
It's in a bath house.
Aren't they seated too close together?
That looks like a train.
(They sit in a tub.)
(What's the point?)
It's called Hatakano Gakko.
It means a naked school.
It opens once a month.
People used to get information
from old people in bath houses.
But since that culture disappeared
these days,
it was created to boost
the local economy.
(It has various topic of discussions.)
It's really popular.
You have to register before you go.
Ever since the last presidential election,
lectures of ex-presidents
have been a topic of discussion
because they were getting paid so much.
Hilary Clinton received almost
$300,000 per lecture.
After President Obama's term was done,
he received $450,000.
If you add Bill Clinton's lecture
until 2014,
he received almost $120 million.
Just from lectures?
Yes.
Ji-young, did you give a lecture before?
I gave a lecture to students before.
I was so looking forward
to teaching them about the life
of an announcer.
One student asked...
Who's the hottest celebrity?
Who did you get to meet?
He was being thoughtful.
What did you say?
I answered.
Who was it?
What?
Tell us.
(Everyone's focused.)
Who was your favorite?
During the Baeksang Awards,
I went around the waiting rooms
for interviews.
You must've met everyone!
Almost everyone.
The person I remember thinking
had the most charisma...
Was Rain.
He was walking down the corridor
and idols parted like the Red Sea.
Because he's a senpai.
Did he walk like this?
That was so long ago!
How does he turn left?
Right turn?
Good job.
I'm an entertainer.
Good job!
(So that's how you do it...)
What has touched the people
in your country
from lectures?
Jack Ma of Alibaba is famous
for giving a lot of lectures.
He said...
Today will be hard.
Tomorrow will be worse.
The day after will be better.
But most people will die tomorrow night.
It means most people give up
before happiness finally comes.
Hang in there.
Our ex-president, Vicente Fox,
said...
It means...
Today! Today! Today!
Mexicans have a habit of saying...
I'll do it tomorrow.
We procrastinate a lot.
During an interview when he was
a candidate,
He was asked when he'll keep
his promise, he said...
Hoy! Hoy! Hoy!
That became his catch phrase.
That's very impressive.
It was so awesome.
Did he keep his promise?
He was elected.
He was our president for 6 years...
Did he do a good job?
He worked hard.
Did he say...
Sorry! Sorry! Sorry! At the end?
He says everything 3 times!
But every Mexicans will remember...
Hoy! Hoy! Hoy!
That is impressive.
I really like it.
I know.
A legendary Canadian hockey player,
Wayne Gretzky said...
It means...
I skate to where the puck is going to be,
not where it has been.
Towards the future?
This resonated with Steve Jobs.
When iPhone was first released in 2007,
he used the quote.
He meant it as Apple will prepare
what people will need in the future,
not what they need now.
One of my favorite Steve Jobs quote
was about the consumers.
Consumers! Consumers! Consumers!
(Vicente's quote is reminded every minute!)
Sell! Sell! Sell!
(Actually...)
Bull shit! Bull shit! Bull shit!
(Every memorable quote is said 3 times!)
Jo Woo-Jong and Kang Ji-young's
agenda was I'm happy that
information variety show's popularity
has increased but I don't want to study.
Am I abnormal?
Are we done?
You didn't solve anything!
This isn't The Knee-Drop Guru.
We just talk.
Fine, we'll solve it.
(What's Si-kyung's solution?)
Feel just enough pressure.
(That's it?)
But not too much!
It's okay. It's okay. It's okay.
What did you guys feel about today?
I know that this show started on July 7th
in 2014.
(Amazing.)
I really wanted to come here.
I'm happy that I finally got that chance.
And I learned today that...
This is something Hwang Suk-young said.
Live as the citizen of the world.
I finally learned what that meant today.
I think I should see the world
as a citizen of the world from now on.
I had a lot of fun.
Woo-Jong, you must feel pressure.
(Pressured 100%.)
(Thank goodness I went first...)
When was our 100th episode?
Why would know when they started?
(How would an announcer for 13 years say?)
So...
We should've let him go first.
Since the Non Summit Meeting
has been on the airwaves...
Airwaves?
I haven't heard that in a while.
Non Summit Meeting's many
foreign panels...
What?
I just want to say that...
I really wanted to meet you guys.
I'm sad that we didn't get to talk more.
It was great meeting you.
(We had fun too.)
The meeting is adjourned.
Until we're all normal.
We talked about knowledge
and information today.
I learned that I still don't know anything.
(What?)
I still don't know anything.
(What?)
Meeting adjourned!
(Mental health.)
(Dr. Yang Jae-woong will teach us)
(about mental health.)
11% have mental disorder.
20%
34%.
Let's see if we have any problems.
I'm so angry.
You have to know that's who you are.
I get nervous when I rest.
I get depressed.
You're still who you are when you rest.
It's okay.
How much?
(100% satisfactory guaranteed!)
She proved that feet can be beautiful.
Best ballerina of the century.
Director of the National Ballet.
Kang Soo-Jin!
Don't you fall in love when you act?
The men?
I'm sure they did.
(World class confidence.)
Let me brag.
(Soo-jin's global romance!)
I keep working after I retired.
Am I abnormal?
Let's talk about our 2nd life.
(Great tips on retirements!)
70% are employed again.
You can live with only $1,000 a month.
No taxes for 10 years.
Where was it again?
He was right here!
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